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| SuperSaiyanMastaDon | Apr 4 2018, 02:13 AM Post #1 |
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Alright, I'm looking at this again... Full Power Vegeta 18,000 KKx2 Goku 16,000 Initial Vegeta 14,000 Kaioken Goku 12,000 Base Goku 8,000 1) Goku uses Kaioken on Initial Vegeta and gets beat up 2) Vegeta does a tremendous power up 3) Goku has to resort to KKx2 and is shocked that even that isn't enough. Goku uses Kaioken on Ginyu at hits 180k. Therefore, Goku's Base power is actually 120k, not 90k. |
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| + Son-Goku | Apr 4 2018, 05:11 PM Post #2 |
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Kaioken and kaioken x2 are the same thing. |
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| + Emmeth | Apr 4 2018, 07:06 PM Post #3 |
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No, it's not. Kaio-Ken increases your strength and speed, but not by a minimum of x2. It's possible to only raise your base from 1 to 1.5. |
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| + QueenTD | Apr 4 2018, 07:16 PM Post #4 |
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You don't need to say kaioken and the number u increasing by. Similar to the fight against Freeza when he didn't say kaioken at all u til x20. It's possible to do "KAAAAAAIOOOOOOKENNNN" with it being x20 multiplayer |
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| Dankness Lava | Apr 4 2018, 09:26 PM Post #5 |
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If you believe saying Kaio-Ken without saying the multiplier implies less than 2x, why do you assume it's 1.5? Why not 1.75? Why not 1.32884638181? |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Apr 5 2018, 06:52 AM Post #6 |
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I feel like if it wasn't x2 then we would've heard goku say "kaioken x2" before we heard him say "kaioken x3" |
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| Darker | Apr 5 2018, 11:11 AM Post #7 |
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Is this a dub thing? iirc in the manga at least Goku states the number he's going for before saying KK, and sometimes he says KK x (insert number here). |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | May 9 2018, 04:46 PM Post #8 |
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Chapter 496 outright states that Goku's kaioken is doubling his power. |
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| Notaka | May 9 2018, 04:53 PM Post #9 |
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Chapter 496??? Isn't that in the Buu saga?? Also I don't really believe that Kaioken was a 1.5x Boost. He never stated in the manga to use that amount. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | May 9 2018, 05:16 PM Post #10 |
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Whoops I meant 229. Also, looking at it, it's not really that clear as I thought. Goku says "Kaioken times two" in 229, whereas in 228 he only says "Kaioken". That makes it look like they could be two different levels of kaioken, but I think the reason it's written like that is because chapter 229 is about Goku using Kaioken x3, so it specifies that he's currently using x2 so that we know that x3 is going to be a jump. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 9 2018, 05:23 PM Post #11 |
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I don't even have to say anything. The manga speaks for itself. Chapter: 229 (DBZ 35), P1.1 Narrator: "Vegeta's strength has greatly surpassed what Goku had figured on...! That power was such that not even the Kaio-ken, which doubled Goku's battle power, could give Goku the upper hand... What will you do?! Goku!!" |
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| + Son-Goku | May 9 2018, 05:24 PM Post #12 |
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Yeah the manga is pretty clear about it. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | May 9 2018, 05:33 PM Post #13 |
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Except you're taking that out of context, since the narrator only says that AFTER Goku already says "kaioken times two". edit: typo Edited by TrunksinSwimmingTrunks, May 9 2018, 05:35 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 9 2018, 05:41 PM Post #14 |
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I mean, I'm looking at the strength checker, and looked at my Viz Big vol. 1 and 2, and Goku doesn't say Kaio-ken x2. He says it later though. Chapter: 229 (DBZ 35), P13.5-6, P14.2 Goku: “s***…!! His power and speed… [ ] I can’t keep up, even with the Kaio-Ken x2. [ ] I don’t care if my body breaks or I die! I’ve gotta up the Kaio-Ken to x3!!” Point is though, Goku only uses the Kaio-ken once before jumping to x3, and both he and the narrator state it was a x2. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, May 9 2018, 06:21 PM.
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | May 9 2018, 05:54 PM Post #15 |
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He uses it in chapter 228 to attack Vegeta and then uses it in chapter 229 to dodge a ki blast. When he uses it in 229, that's the first time that he says "times two". I think I'm looking at the Viz translation. What I'm referring to: Spoiler: click to toggle ^ Based on that, it's clear that the narrator is just saying that Goku was doubling his power via kaioken, but he also isn't saying that using kaioken was always equal to doubling his power. |
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